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Dear Mr. Xin:
I always have a soft spot for the Vietnam Veterans. They are usually people of my generation. These people went and serve for it now seems a pretty screw up objective. What makes it hurt the most for the veterans is that the ones who did not go got a leg up on the poor ones who went (or worse, who never came back). They bore the blunt of hatred from the enemy and anti-war countrymen. The US had 16 years of ¡§dodger¡¨ presidency since then. Hanoi Jane will always be a controversial issue to talk about.
Lin's case is little different. It's not a war between two countries (even though Vietnam War was never declared) but the extension of a civil war. Once civil war ended, brothers on both sides reconcile and heal. I don't know the details of Lin's events, but based on the lack of ¡§public gloating¡¨ from Mainland China, Taiwan has some catching up to China's high road as of now.
The greatness of a civilization and society should be measured in part, by granting its member ¡§conscientious objector¡¨ status. Lin, in my opinion, should be categorized as such a group.
Regards
Dear Charles,
Thanks for sharing your point of view, and if my guess is correct, you probably are not from Taiwan.
You articulated your points well, but I don't think Mr. Lin was a "conscientious objector", The fact that he decided to become a professional soldier by switching careers tells me he was not a "conscientious objector" but an opportunism or was hot-blood young man.
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Relation between ROC & PRC is just like the divorced parents.
There is no reason to ask the children to pick side and to join in the hostility. Absolute nonsense for the parents,
and even more so if a child ran to see the mother, or even decided to stay with Mom, that the father can denounce and
even declare that son should be punished. Punish yourself first, who told you husband and wife to fight like that
in front of your children. Not qualified to be parent, not to say no right to criticize whatever the child did.
They have brought enough suffering onto the children, just as any divorced couple does.
If government doesn't look after interest of its people, it has no ground to judge what its people do for themselves.
Remember the book you sort of "promoted" once for that Mr. Mou?
You can call this Lin a speculator, first did the exceptional move to join military.
May be after he joined, with better understanding, he already foresaw this is a dead end road.
Whatever motive, none of us (those that immigrated) is entitled to criticize him.
In a way, we are just like him, only that we were not in the military.
Louise Dear Louise:
I must say that I don't quite understand your analogies/examples and especially can't agree with you on your comparison of us who immigrated to the USA for seeking a better life to Mr. Lin's case. America was not our enemy, we came here legally and openly, we didn't bring any secret to America in any form and shape that could hurt my own country (Taiwan). I found your background as someone from Hong Kong and never served in theTaiwanese Army Forces could be the reason that you may not as familiar with the issue as many of us do. But again, nobody can say he or she is absolutely right. That makes the exchange comments on this issue interesting.
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Dear Mr. Xin,
This is my third time writing to you. And for the first time, I found I seriously disagree with you on a subject. (I have read your books too.)
I strongly support Taiwan's Defense Minister that ªL¥¿¸q/ªL¼Ý¤Ò should never be pardoned.
Here is what I know about the story. (I graduated college in 1980. So I still heard some background about this event while I was in the military.) He not only swam to China as a company head, he also brought with him the defense plan against the communist invasion, if it ever happened, and the decryption codes.
After his escape («q°k), the whole Quemoy island had to redraw the defense plan, move the machine guns and cannons around and replace the code books. I can't remember if he brougt other things with him. He did not just disagree with the government (I believe you agree with me that a soldier has no right for political opinion in any country.), he did not just desert his job (as a captain, he was responsible for the life and welfare of more than 100 soldiers, most of them were younger than 20), he went to China with the intent to harm or kill many people.
Jane Fonda's crime was only that she expressed her (wrong) opinion and went to enemy to express that opinion. It is debatable whether she would be forgiven. However, if you were a soldier in Vietnam during that time and you experienced your comrades die and saw Jane Fonda spoke for North Vietnam on TV, I can't see any reason you will ever forgive.
For ªL¼Ý¤Ò, this is totally different. The more likely comparison is if Jane Fonda went to Hanoi with anti-aircraft ammunition. And North Vietnamese soldiers used them to shoot at US planes. And she claimed no US planes were downed and no US pilots were killed by these ammunition.
As you know, before martial law was lifted in Quemoy and Matsu, if a soldier ever tried to escape to China, he was pretty much automatically sentenced to be executed. In comparison, ªL¼Ý¤Ò's crime is a lot more serious and he shouldn't be pardoned.
So, I have only one reason against pardoning ªL¼Ý¤Ò: He brought material and knowledge to enemy with the intent to kill many of his countrymen, as a middle-level commanding officer, in a war zone.
Some people may say one should accept one's enemy after the fighting is over. I can agree with this because the enemy may act on the same belief/reason to fight for their own country. And in a was, most soldiers don't know anyone at the other side. But treason is different. The traitor knows the people he tries to harm so I think the behavior is much worse.
Sorry for the long writing. I have thought a lot about this issue. And I believe you can fully understand my points, whether you agree with me or not.
Regards,
Ching
PS. As you remember American Taliban John Walker Lindh. His crime was he went to Afghanistan to train with Taliban and did not leave when US invaded Afghanistan. He was not executed because there is no proof that he ever fought with Taliban/Al Qaeda against US troops or providing support to do it. So, it is not just the eastern laws are strict about this. In the west, at least in the US, it is not much different. Dear Ching:
I'm not only fully understood your points, but also agree with your arguments.
From all the letters I received, I've drawn a general conclusion as following: People from Taiwan are strongly against the notion of granting pardon to Mr. Lin. People from Hong Kong or other regions are taking a different position. Strangely enough, I have not heard anyone from Mainland China made any comments on this issue.
Let me re-state my position of Lin's case:
1. After that many years, I think a "blank amnesty" to all the people caught in a senseless civil war should be considered.
2. The base for my position is not to tell the right from wrong but purely on humanitarian/humanism. An idealistic but unrealistic idea.
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I have been following your posts for a couple of years. This is my firsrt letter to you.
I am writing to respond a line in your response to one of your reader "Strangely enough, I have not heard anyone from Mainland China made any comments on this issue." I think a straightforward reason is because you already claimed yourself "The Last Generation of NDR". LOL.
I am from mainland China. Actually I sat in my flat in Shanghai Bund while writing the mail. I am quite interested in the topic of Mr. Lin(I'd call ªL¼Ý¤Òªº°ÝÃD Linssue). Hopefully, a comment from a mainlander would not be interpreted ±o¤F«K©yÁÙ½æ¨Ä, which is another inimical behavior in Chinese tradition.
I actually asked my uncle and cousin how they thought of Linssue if they were in the position that's betrayed. My uncle, who had served in PLA for 2 decades, said "The man is a traitor. Period. But aren't we in the process of reconciliation? Maybe a public apology and an appropriate sentence(probation?)." My cousin, who's born late 80's and loves Taiwan talkshows, gave a simple answer "What the hell". So the whole Linssue is this: in personal level, his behaviour hurt face, feeling and most importantly, the law. He hence should be punished. But in the big picture of reconciliation and for the sake of peace of straits, would it be worthy of giving Mr. Lin let-go?
A betrayal soldier becoming a renowned economist and high-profile figure is a legendary story to a side and a humiliation to the other. I admire Mr. Lin. Yet you would whisper in his ear in contempt. The even weirder thing is both of us have good reasons to do so. I am not quite into the cliche of the divorce-and-children-choosing-side metaphor. But somehow it does provide a relief for how we are different.
Best Regards,
LQ
Dear LQ:
You got me! I indeed have self proclaimed that we are the Last Generation of NDR. Logically speaking, no wonder there is no one from Mainland China made comments on this Linissue.
Once we've settle the logic score, I must say its a pleasure to receive your well written e-mail from the legendary Shanghai Bund.
You see, most of the male reader's feed-back you read on this Linissue are from people like me who once served in the Nationalist Army Forces before we came to the States. Let's say that the Army is just like a "company", we, the so called reserved officer via ROTC program are the "contractors" or "temporary helpers" work for the company.
What to make Linissue so unique was he should have just like us but instead, he decided to become a permanent employee of the "company", got promoted, and then, he stolen the company's secret and went to work for the company's enemy.
It is also so true that many of us would react just like your PLA uncle who would consider Lin a traitor, period. To the younger generation of Taiwanese who knows nothing about Lin, "what a hell" is the likely answer.
I run into a young lady in our church a few weeks ago who happens to be Lin's student from Beijing University. I have no doubt that Lin is quite admired by his former students. I told the young lady I was her professor's upper class-mate.But I didn't tell her and did not want to call her professor a "traitor" -- because I believe the civil war between the Communists and the Nationalists was so *&^%&^ stupid.
Appreciate your sharing.
Ãh«n·qÂÐ 4/1/2012
Dear Mr. Xin,